Frosty's report. Alarmist or alarming?
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Alarming.
It should scare the bejeebus out of you.
Alarming, you should take a trip up here.
Alarming indeed, but haven't we been killing ourselves for about 200 years? (i.e. Slave Trading)
Splain, Lucy. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Slaughter
We may be jumping the gun here. The same arguments were being made at the turn of the 20th century about the large influx of immigrants (my grandparents being some of them).
However, we should start to worry if we start to see something like this start happening here in the States.
Sweden and Canada
When our own laws begin being overturned or subverted is when we need to start worrying.
the replacement of a people is a natural occurance. Every 20 years in American history has seen an influx of various groups. And each preceeding group has squared off against the current one. "Rights of Passage" I guess.
What isn't natural is the replacement of the culture and values. So far, nearly every immigrant group has assimilated into the American culture, and added to it. The current trend, is not so. Do not wait for it to happen here, because it will.
Absolutely correct and right on.Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Choozoo
http://www.augustknights.com/forums/...sults/idea.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Slaughter
for the extremests:
Might want to tear down the fat old lady holding that big ol' torch in N.Y. She seems to still be calling for immigrants doesn't she?
for the realists:
must agree that the immigration rules are lax. As are the internal laws. As are all laws!!! But this sad state of affairs isn't just because of "immigrants". Its the law makers and the law enforcers (not the cops..they aren't give sufficient power to enforce law). The courts and governments need to take a stand, not against races or religions or sexual orientation, but against stupidity, laziness and ignorance. I suggested to a friend, somewhat tongue in cheek, that perhaps manditory IQ tests before you can immigrate.
How about the removal of welfare for anyone who hasn't been in the country for more than 5 yrs?
As for human rights: they have the right to practice any religious or cultural practice within the bounds of law within our great countries (Canada and the U.S.) but the right to force those practices down my throat MUST NOT BE granted! There are laws in place, laws that are based on Anglo-Christian principals. I am neither Anglo nor Christian, yet I follow those laws because I have chosen to make North America my home. If I didn't like it, I'd move!
Basically I agree with the issues concerning immigration, but to blame them on this race or that race or various religions is simply put: stupid. Place the blame in the right area; on the courts and politians who allow ANY group to force their beliefs down your throat!
The Purch!
Wow, now thats kind of offensive...Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Palooka
I meant the current pop culture is that of the stereotypical black man, at school I was surrounded by them (and quite sick of it, I might add). All I meant by it was an underhanded throw at what I hate about the african american culture.. I personally think Cosby said it best at the NAACP banquet.
Also, I'm sick of hearing the N-word out of these black people's mouths every other word. Wassup my nword this, I hate that nword that.. All they are doing is adding fuel to the fire and propelling the stereotype.
There are smart and very cool black people out there, but they have been few and far between for me to find. However I happen to be living with one of the more non-stereotypical black men right now, he's in the city doing mission work in "Over the Rhine"... the worst, most gang and murder filled part of the city.
I, the honoroble (honourable for our northern members) Choozoo of the August Knights, hereafter known as "AK", do hereby, and solemnly invoke article 1 of Goodwin's Law of Usenet.
Through my superior sense of extra sensory perception, I predict that within 5 posts, Goodwin's Law will unfortunately become reality.
I hereby declare this thread null, and respectfully ask that it be ignored.
Thank you for your cooperation.
**EDIT**
Please excuse me as I've been drinking.
all I have to say, not it.
Before Goodwin gets his due, I'm going to sneak one in...
Personally, of all the foreign policy that we export, I believe with utter conviction that birth control should be the single most important thing we should be helping the world with. I don't donate to international childrens charities as a general rule. But I'd happily donate to some international organization that gives out norplants, or even vasecotomys. I'm convinced that many of the third world countries are being crushed under their own weight of excessive overpopulation in a system that can't support it. Historically the world population has been stable because we haven't had the medical facilities to allow a mother to birth 12 kids, and only a few of those 12 would survive. Today, they all survive and mom can have 12 more. We've exported the medicine now, but we haven't exported birthcontrol to go along with it. So the nations who have their act together use birthcontrol, and the nations that don't are exporting their people to us. Great.
Here's a dirty tidbit. Some historians believe that the reason European culture dominated the latter portion of history wasn't dispite the plague - it was because of it. The rapid population relief on the existing resources become a boom - allowing unprecidented wealth and subsequent achievement.
Flame away.
Godwin's Law
Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.
Thus the thread continues despite the Nazi-like attempt of Choozoo the pseudo-Hitler to end it!
The Statue of Liberty was erected a long time ago. The population levels were far different then and the inscription - while moving - is not law.
Immigration has been regulated for as long as I can remember. Frankly I think it's time to tighten those regulations even more.
There should also be no benefits of any kind for illegals (other than the busride to the border for immediate deportation.)
To get around the issue of lower than minimum wage illegals who work our farms, we should document them.
What really irks me about the story is the way our culture is being eroded. In some states, English is becoming a second language. Signs in some areas are being printed both in Spanish and English. Don't get me started on "Phone help systems".
The author of the article is correct...the melting pot isn't melting the way it used to. Groups come in and self-segregate. That's not what Lady Liberty had in mind.
Agreed. When people come here, they should come with the intent of integrating into American culture, not bringing a little bit of their own country's hell with them.
Edit: I don't mean to say they should not bring any of their culture. Where would America be without good Chinese and Indian food? But I draw the line at immigrants who want to force America to be like the country they left, instead of learning English and adapting to OUR laws.
I would tune that statement a bit Ab... Bringing little bits of your culture with you is natural and helpful. Forming little (or in this case, huge) "cultural pockets" is another thing entirely. The need for the "Chinatown model" is at an end. We don't need classroom memos being translated into any of a hundred languages before being sent home. We need immigrants to melt. We need to stop accomodating and excusing cultural islands.
I think scaling back on immigration levels would be a big help in that regard.
A basic comprehension of the english language should be a requirement whether your applying for citizenship or here on a work visa.
I refuse to tolerate "customer service" representatives who can't speak English. When I get one, I politely say to them that I cannot understand you and I need someone who speaks English as a first language. I'm not mean or rude, but I'm not going to sit there and ask them what they said 50 times because I can't understand them. Sorry, but they should not be doing "customer service" in America if they can't speak English.
Secondly, English should be declared the "official" language of the United States.
I agree with Squidly... Immigration laws need to be tightened severely and if you are not a citizen, you should not receive ANY benefits from our tax dollars. I don't care if you made a "run for the border" and gave birth as you were diving head first over the line so that your child was "born in America". If you are not a citizen, neither is your child. If you want them to be, then you need to go through the proper channels to do so.
I've known many first generation immigrants who came to this country, and they HAD to learn English and adapt to the United States, not the other way around.
But it's just another example of the left leaning ideals of pacifism, coddling, hand feeding, no personal responsibility, touchy feely, PC, group huggie philosophy. It reminds me of that old Genesis video "Illegal Alien". :lol2: "Over the border, lies the promised land. Everything comes easy, you just hold out your hand".
I believe we do what we can to HELP immigrants who come to our country LEGALLY adjust and adapt to the American way. Give them the tools for education & job training to get them on their feet. But bending over backward to cater to them is wrong.
New Rule:
I will not post while drinking.
Too much "French" Wine Choozoo? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Choozoo
oui oui mon frere
Hispanic & Asian Growth
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Hispanics, the nation's largest minority group, rose 13 percent between April 2000 and July 2003 to 39.9 million, according to Census Bureau figures released Monday. That far outpaced the 3 percent increase in the American populace during the same time, to 290.8 million.
Asians were the next-fastest-growing among the large minority groups, up 12.6 percent to 11.9 million, while the black population rose nearly 4 percent to 37 million.
About 4.3 million people listed themselves as of more than one race, up 10.5 percent from 2000.
The population of Hispanics and, to a lesser extent, Asians, rose in nearly every state over the 1990s, due in large part to immigration. The latest data appear to show a continued steady flow of immigrants into America in spite of the recession and the effects of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, said John Logan, a sociologist at the State University of New York at Albany.
Whites remain the single largest group at 197 million, up just 1 percent between 2000 and 2003. That number refers to those U.S. residents who are not of Hispanic ethnicity and who selected only white as their race.
"Non-Hispanic white" is what would generally be considered the majority group in the U.S. population, though they are not officially designated as such.
Over two-thirds of U.S. residents are white. Bureau projections released earlier this year showed that whites and minority groups overall would be roughly equal in size by 2050.
Of all immigrant groups, Hispanics are the fastest assimilating, and the largest immigration group. Hispanics on average, the second generation uses English as their primary language, and the third generation doesn't even learn Spanish. (on average)
That's great, provided they assimilate.
There's vast communities in southern California that don't. And they're growing.
No worries squid, Dr. Savage has my back. I believe in his message.
You should know. Amsterdam, NY is like Little Havana!Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Choozoo
And I have my Sociology degree to back it up. It's more like San Juan though.
¡Que Bueno!
Yeah, they're assimilating so well that we have to pay extra to have multilingual traffic signs. It's going swimmingly.
just stating the facts.
we don't officially have an official language.
I always thought this to be true..... hmmmmm
myth that German was almost the official language
Looks like this fight has always occurred...
AND here is the real crux of this entire thread....Quote:
When German-language farmers in Augusta County, Virginia petitioned the U. S. House of Representatives in 1794 for a German translation of the booklet containing the laws and other government regulations -- copies of which had been distributed free in the English language -- officials simply ignored them. Even the bilingual Speaker of the House of Representatives, Frederick Augustus Conrad Mühlenberg, refused to support their modest request. arguing that the faster the Germans became Americans, the better. No doubt, disappointment with his negative, though realistic, posture contributed a generation later to the birth of this legend.1
Can this be said of today's round of immigration?Quote:
This perfectly natural assimilation process, accepted by the majority of German immigrants. who were seeking economic prosperity, was the primary cause for the disappearance of German as a viable vehicle of daily communication in North America.
A possible cause to our own current round of "troubles"?
BUT
They even understood the way back in 1910
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In every immigrant generation, complaints surfaced about a loss of the German language, but never as often as around 1900. When addressing the German School Society of Cleveland at its annual meeting in 1910, Pastor Karl Weiss avowed that three institutions -- the school, the family, and the Verein [club] -- were the great nurseries for the German language in his adoptive Fatherland:
We demand for the children in our schools a brand of German language instruction that is sufficient both qualitatively and quantitatively; not that we want German placed above English -- this would be foolish and unreasonable -- for we realize that English is the language of our country and that a thorough knowledge of English is absolutely necessary for our children. No, we do not decry the language of the American, nor of anybody else; and in this respect we are again loyally dedicated to our new homeland, our American adoptive fatherland, and we know our duties as patriotic citizens.
we need to start acting more like the french, not talk to them in english until they at least try to speak it to us (and we can understand it).
of course, we can do without all the other frenchie stuff. No white flags for me. ;) Now, where are my Freedom Fries?
see -- American History X.. Make friends, organize.. destroy the local quik-e-mart. :tongue:
3 pages of thread concerning La migra and no mention of our spanish speaking friends?
The spanish conquest is well under way yet again people!
Ill share some of my experience in this realm:
Here in the south your all but FORCED to speak spanish if your a tradesmen. Tradesmen working on different aspects of ANY project have to communicate. NO choice unless u want to end up with a house or structure that looks like a backyard playhouse! It so happens that there are a gazillion spanish speaking construction workers every where u go all thru the south. A gazillion isnt an exageration. Having been a tradesmen for 15years ive felt the effects of excessive La migra first hand. When i say south ive experienced the same inundation of spanish workers from North Carolina to Texas and now Florida. It is unbelievable how many are here and flooding here every single day. Ages works for border patrol, im sure he could site some stories.
Extreme Example: Houston is deemed "little Mexico" by many. Its a city of over a million and a half people and ive heard that its 70% minority lol. Minority lol, funny i know.
Back to the trades, the white man is fast becoming the minority in this business in many facets of the trades at least. Mexicans etc take almost all the sheetrock and painting etc jobs from other would be contractor's simply because they will work for peanuts. When u have 11 people sharing the same 350sqft house riding in the same van sharing that gas bill etc its not hard to do. Ive seen this all to many times for many years with it getting worse and worse every year.
Fortunately for me they dont seem real good at Woodworking, in fact even when it comes to basic framing they often suck at it ive observed. So it hasnt hurt me personally tho Many times there general lack of quality makes other contrators jobs (like mine) down the line a bit of a pain. NOw some of em make good for themselves and learn to do Quality work and even learn ENGLISH! Just not enough of em for the amount of construction jobs they end up with.
SO not only are they everywhere, doing shoddy work, working for peanuts, taking jobs from americans, not speaking english enough, they are starting to get there own SPANISH road signs in my ENGLISH speaking america!!!! Ive been tolerating and observing alot over the years but now them getting there very own native signs in my country really pisses me off! Not only that but many products in the south are labled for english and spanish speaking customers. NOt a few mind u but TONS of products one buys every day. I wanna see english on my products and signs thank u.
I know there are other concerns that stem from immigration, issues of national security even but i think the immigration from south of the border bears quite a significance in the whole scheme of things. Again one must consider the incredible numbers were talking about here both population and $$$. Ive just shared some of my experiences in the states ive been in but i do know that places like California are being slammed in much the same way not to mention how many other states as well. I bring up the trades not just because thats my experience but simply because between the trades and farming thats what the majority of this minority do! These minorities are the majority of immigrants coming here to! lol sorry hadda do it.
If we want to get the wheel back in this country yes we need more regulation and enforcement. Yes weve got all 31 flavors coming here every day but the majority of this problem still starts at the southern border my friends.
/end rant, ramble etc :)